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Does the StopGame rating system suits you?

Perhaps this issue is relevant for most active users of the StopGame site.ru. It has been hanging in the air for many years. Even Tosty at the time of his bordatic credibility touched him, but the last time this system was made only in 2012, when obtaining the rating was complicated. Why did I decide to raise this issue now? Because I’m sure this system is harmful to our community!

What the rating affects:

A) on the number of personal messages and assessments that can be set within a day (maximum 200).

B) if user rating is +1.00 or higher, he gets the opportunity to attach images and videos to his comment or blog.

C) with a negative rating, you cannot give grades.

D) if user rating is5.00 or lower, he cannot create new topics on blogs and ask questions in FAQ.

E) if user rating is7.00 or below, he is deprived of the opportunity to leave comments (I call it a “soft bath”).

Problems of this system:

1) The rating system rewards users, providing them with access to those functions that they should have at their disposal. We are literally given the opportunity to put likes and diesels on virtual coupons!

2) two users with a rating +350.00 will be enough to block any user with rating 0.00 (maximum minus in profile -5.00). Or three C +250.00. Or four C +200.00. Or seven with +100.00. They don’t even need to cooperate for this! A few people who are accustomed to abuse their rating are enough. If you do not believe me, look at the profiles of active users with a low rating – many do not even have negatively evaluated comments!

3) the ability to minus users in profile increases the toxicity of our community. Many replace communication with assessment of assessments. In the vast majority of cases, the user cannot find out why he received a minus (sometimes this, in principle, does not have a logical explanation). The SG community is already segmented: only streams are looking at the part, part lives exclusively at the main one, some hangs in blogs, some are hanging out in the discord, some do not even know that Stopgame has a site, depending on the videos on YouTube. I believe that we do not need a system that separates people even stronger.

However, this is only my opinion. What do you think? Vote, discuss in the comments, argue with the author, just do not be silent! And, yes, Kungurov’s eye will notice us!

The best comments

I agree with the comment above. You just have to praise what many do not like, or to criticize something to everyone’s favorite-you get a million minuses and decide not to express your opinion not to express your opinion.

Disagree only with toxicity (3 point). She, just because of a similar system at a very low level.
But there is another problem due to such a system, many are afraid to express a personal opinion, since after that they will be sunk in the minuses = “soft ban”. = (

I just emphasize THREE obvious Problems And FOUR obvious Solutions:
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Problem 1: Toxicity in the news that causes a strong drop in the rating.
And here the point is not even in the ranking, but that it is a priori the most toxic sector of any resource. This, alas, cannot be solved at all. Like the fall of the rating. However, you can easily reduce the degree of fall due to ..
Decision 1: Inability to put minus in profile.
It all depends on whether we want to maintain this function at all or not. If we don’t want, fuck her. If we want, we will make a rather large threshold. About 50+. This is a moderately long way requiring good activity and publications. And since there will be fewer such people, then there will be fewer injured.
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Problem 2: Minus blogs do not stop calling the eyes.
We all understand that moderation is not operational and has a weekend. It is not for us to blame them for the fact that users can overpow 10 spam posts and outright garbage, which spoils my tape. And minus them at least how much, harm to anyone.
Solution 2: Bringing the minus blog “Somewhere”.
It is suitable as a DTF option with his “if the post has -10, then it disappears from the overall visibility of users”, and the option of a long -deceased Gamersblog (the old people were burst into the minus, you fly to the dial of trash ”. The first option seems controversial to me.To. depending on the activity of the community, but with us it does not sit on blogs every minute. The second option is already suitable.To. And modern can resurrect, and users.
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Problem 3:Lessine users continue to smash their eyes.
There are those who do not fall under the jurisdiction of moderators, but are trolls or simply repulsive people.
Decision 3: Be a man!
Well, true. Expected something like “increase the threshold of a minus rating for the impossibility of writing”? He will create a new profile. And so normal users can be buried. What is it there.
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Super-duper-poop-mezhgalactic-star-Solution 4:make a “plus” in blogs more significant.
Kohl rating is a thing that allows you to feel progression, why not use it? The advantages in the comments are good, but it is necessary to encourage beginner authors not only with the promise “Complete Cosar someday”, but by a faster take -off of the rating. Trifle, but it’s nice after all. This will positively affect blogs, it will be easier for users and in fact a good person to secure a good plus stream. So the toxics will not be able to kill the rating to zero.
Suppose a plus in the comment is given +0.01. For Blogovsky I offer +0.05. “And what about the minuses?»You say and I will answer: and many normal people minus? And we really need to steam and reduce the weight of the minus in blogs? I don’t think so…

For good, it would be necessary to stimulate people from the registration itself to increase their rating. We are not DTF, which lives thanks to communication non-stop. It is necessary to develop as a community of beginner creative people! And they are not always sociable, just as they do not always decide on the publication of posts. It’s time to blow off the dust from aces! Everything is ridiculous simply! Achivka for the first publication, for 10 comments, for the first care of +10 in blogs, for mentioning in a heart failure, at least for anything! And I don’t even think that they need to greatly increase the rating, if necessary. The breast (profile) of the user will be his pride. This performs a whole car of useful things. The user has another progression, the user connects more with the resource, the user feels more important, the user does not leave the resource longer. What we have now is so much nominal that I have seen many guys who go after a few days, but who have taken all the Achivka, which they can knock out without hoping for Fart and the abstract “sometimes they return”. This is already working for a resource.

All beaver. In general, I said even even everything that I wanted = 3

I, as the owner https://lowdeposit-casinos.co.uk/review/spinscastle/ of the 290+ rating, is completely satisfied with the system, I don’t know why everyone complains (͡ ° ͜ʖ °)

But in general, at one time I investigated this question and entered into various kinds of dialogues with victims or not very people. +This is not the first topic of blogs on this topic. Therefore, I think I have something to say.
Let’s start with the fact that the system has undergone changes not only in 2012. Firstly, throughout the time the weight of the blog plus was adjusted (if I do not confuse, at first it was 0.07, then 0.03, then 0.3 and, finally, the current 0.1), and the assessment of the comment now weighs not 0.01, but, it seems, 0.005. Secondly, the multiple methods of Abuz were suppressed, and there was also the opportunity to change its assessment.
Now I will show the other side of the problems indicated by you:
1) restriction of possibilities is introduced to suppress spam and wrapping. With spam, everything is clear, and the wrapping would inevitably lead to inflation of the rating, that is, the inconsistency of the number of ratings of how a person showed himself in the community (it now, in principle, is and it grew markedly at a time when the blog plus was 0.3, but thanks to everything that is now it grows and does not spread).
2) the possibility of minority – there is a preventive measure in the absence of a moderator and a community adjustment. I saw “under a hot hand” with broken comments – I think this can be attributed to the statistical consequences of the above inflation mentioned above. Nevertheless, I did not see that such people are pubescent at least to the level close to Mues. And this injustice is quite capable of adjusting the community, which, according to my observations, does not seek to finish off the unjustly victim.
3) the ability to get a minus and the possible consequences of this motivate to think about their own words and as a result of conduct a more constructive dialogue. And “thinking about your own words” does not mean “agreeing with the opinion of the majority”. But in building his own thoughts, he must be taken into account, to understand. As in real life, where in every situation it is necessary to take into account the context and meaning of the thing under discussion. Among the people with whom I talked, the problem turned out to be precisely that the person is neither the context, nor the opinions of people, nor what this opinion was based on, tritely took into account when expressing thoughts, and did it as they often express thoughts in the comments on YouTube – without limiting themselves and without thinking about the formulation. And as a result, a person quite naturally received public disapproval and misunderstanding, even if potentially this thought turned out to be understandable, and a person, with a benevolent approach to it, is open to the discussion.
For example, I am not a master in the wording, but even one effort was enough for me not to be driven in minus, even when I expressed some opposite look. And I am not the only “lucky” – and others have these efforts in the statement of their own position paid off.

However, many advantages will easily collapse about one large

Many people are registered just to speak out and come to the site from various Internet expanses, in which the culture of communication is much more unbridled and impunity than in real life (which actually attracts many), for the most part from the same YouTube, VK. And the site does not bring to the newly arrived site mechanics and its specifics. And it is not surprising that the person who came to express his “f” in the usual manner is perceived by the system as an unfair. It can be understood – no one warned him and did not prepare for the fact that he will face a different system – YouTube says “go to the site”, VK says “go to the site”, and that he is waiting and what is there – nothing is – nothing – nothing is – nothing.
Therefore, restrictions on rating opportunities become in the eyes of people a manifestation of the same injustice. Self-modification does not work trite due to the fact that people do not even know about the function of evaluating in the profile. And the receipt of minuses is interpreted for the most part as an oppression of opinion or mass resentment.
So in my opinion, the main problem of the rating system is not in the rating system, no matter how paradoxical it sounds: D is naturally not perfect, but the subject of discussion seems quite fair to me, and its shortcomings are quite corrected self -awareness, enlightenment and involvement. And if the site becomes more friendly to the run -up user – this adjustment will not be long in coming.

The main problem I see the abus system when you fly in a personal minus, you do not know from whom, for what and when. About the restriction of functionality – I am for. I would still raise the problem of publications on blogs because for newcomers during publication they do not show the rules of publication anywhere, only the site’s policy (there is a funny point that describes that you can be banned and are not obliged to explain why) when the hairdryer in the discord, he said, let them read the recommended blogs (and there are many of them), there is the necessary blog with the rules, well, what kind of game is for game? Why do we need a rating system if we cannot moderate the contrast of blogs, but we hope for Mr. Cortez, so that he would breathe shit and cleaned the blogs. With nostalgia I recall days when I threw my shit at blogs and smeared it with commentators.

1) The rating system rewards users, providing them with access to those functions that they should have at their disposal. We are literally given the opportunity to put likes and diesels on virtual coupons!

I do not see any tragedy in this. With the rating of +10 “coupons” is already more than enough. I don’t remember when I last drained all my possibilities to vote.

Two users with a rating of +350.00 will be enough to block any user with rating 0.00 (maximum minus in profile -5.00). Or three C +250.00. Or four C +200.00. Or seven with +100.00. They don’t even need to cooperate for this! A few people who are accustomed to abuse their rating are enough. If you do not believe me, look at the profiles of active users with a low rating – many do not even have negatively evaluated comments!

Here are just users with a rating of +200 people 70. Of them 20 – site employees, they do not need to minimize the newcomer. And the rest, most likely, will not put minus in profile for no good reason. Moreover, several such people at the same time. Still keep in mind that some of the top people in the ranking are “old people” who have long left with SG or appear extremely rarely here. Already from them the probability of catching minus into the profile is completely scanty.

By the way about beginners. I watched new accounts over the past 2-3 days. The overwhelming number of the mined lays laid out blogs of one video. And those who flew to the “soft ban” of a person are three by force. So you are too convergen to paint.

3) the ability to minus users in profile increases the toxicity of our community. Many replace communication with assessment of assessments. In the vast majority of cases, the user cannot find out why he received a minus (sometimes this, in principle, does not have a logical explanation). The SG community is already segmented: only streams are looking at the part, part lives exclusively at the main one, some hangs in blogs, some are hanging out in the discord, some do not even know that Stopgame has a site, depending on the videos on YouTube. I believe that we do not need a system that separates people even stronger.

If many replace communication with setting assessments, then it may just need to score on pros/cons and sit communicate? Well, they put you minus, you can write. Only if you get -7 will lose this opportunity, and it is not so simple (I gave the example above).

Now the most important thing is: and the post is for what? The editors are already aware that many would like changes in the rating system, such a blog will not accelerate the final decision.

I have already seen enough of such blogs for a year. For example, we discussed the restriction of the posts of one video. Voted for the premotation, and then what? There is no sense in this, and if the editors are going to change something, they themselves will roll out a similar vote and then there will already be a sense.

Wake me in a hundred years and ask what is happening on blogs now. I will answer – they discuss the rating system.

It seems to me that argue do not argue, but you will not find the perfect solution for everyone.
And you can adapt to the current system. With the same toxicity can be struggled and reverse. I personally never feel sorry for the beginner who looks adequate, throw a safety plus in profile. Random toxics +1.5 will not be removed, but it will be inadequate, here +1.5 more experienced users are not a hindrance.

We are now talking about the Internet, but about a particular community. On the Internet, like outside him, you can say everything you wish and even find supporters yourself. But we are now inside a specific Internet community with its unspoken rules and traditions.

You can walk around the city and preach to everyone that the role of the D&D system shit is. Someone will not listen to you, someone will support, etc.D. But if you come to the D&D club and tell them “Guys, your game is shit because (there are 20 real adequate arguments in support of your position)”, then you will most likely answer “OK, dude. We agree. The door is there, close it from the other side “.

The same on the Internet. You came to the fully formed SG site community. And if your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the majority, you become an outcast. It was always so. In any community, both real and virtual.

If you need a real example from life, then here it is. I work in the fleet. Each crew of the vessel is a small community with its own features. On one vessel it was accepted that the sailors (sailors) are cleaned by each on their own deck. On the other, one sailor removes the entire superstructure once a week and. And so on. There are many examples. People often fall into different vessels of one company and are forced to adjust. If a particularly zealous employee will actively protest against the order on the ship, he can not only be reduced from the vessel, but also naturally beat him. And beat hard. Moreover, for especially violent protests, you can naturally fall overboard (without jokes).

The same thing with us. SG is a relatively small community and certain foundations and interests dominate it. And if a person does not share them, he can be free.

I think there was still some kind of editing recently. Even I started to hesitate to hesitate. As far as I understand, now comments have more “value” than earlier.

1 – In general, I am for limiting functionality. In general, he was in order to prohibit users with a zero rating to create a blog (seriously, this is how many spamers fell off!), but this feature was considered to Ngumannaya. The only amendment from me is the ban on commenting this is not very. Indeed, it is too easy to drive a newcomer into a “soft ban” if the “erysipelas did not like”.

3-toxicity is a problem, but it is unlikely that the rating system can somehow help. In my opinion, on the contrary, it motivates users not to be too rude. What do not say, but dumb to scold almost always fly away in minus. Here a short hell knows, the Internet does not suit me, but what to do with it yet 🙁

I have nothing against amendments to the system, but its current state does not interfere with the current state. In principle, you can remove the opportunity to put plus/minus the profile, it is really not very fair. Leave such a feature only by the administration, for example.

In my opinion, it would be sufficient to untie the functionality of the site from the rating (some restrictions are really depressing), and completely cut out the opportunity to put +\- in profile so that the rating is formed exclusively on the estimates of the comments themselves. And even if in this case the user rating crawls down, then at the same -5.00, instead of limiting the functionality and a “soft ban”, it would be possible to simply give a notice to the moderators / admins so that they follow the user’s activity and, in case, would take appropriate measures (unless, of course, this is realized from a technical point of view). Perhaps a person does nothing criminal, but simply expresses not the most popular opinion. Well, to fight with frank trolls / spamers / bots, there is a “complain” button.

Ha all the time that I am sitting on SG never there was no such thing that the rating flew sharply down. I caught cons of comments, to blogs and even in profile. But so that it would be directly off to the minus. Never.

The only claim to the system, the evaluation of blogs. A couple of years ago, the system was changed and the estimates of comments and blogs became less significant. I think it is worth raising the price of blogs assessment again. But also increase the price of the minus blog.

In practice, it works fine. All garbage topics according to the type “Antimag Subpered Badwars | Installation |I laughed for half an hour a guide on Vivera ”in the shortest possible time fly away to minus with their authors. Gifted commentators also quickly break off the community.

Damn, friendly. So our society as a whole is arranged, and not just sg. If your opinion does not coincide with the majority opinion, you are not listened to at best.

And who determines these “foundations”? Stopgame is not a circle of interests, but one of the largest game resources in Runet. An example with DND would be appropriate if someone comes here and begins to declare that “games for children” and t.p. To be afraid to express your opinion, adapt to the momentary whims of your environment is real cowardice.

P.S. Although I am not a military man, for some reason it seems to me that there are significant differences between the naval way of life and the “citizen”. As they say, the charter is written in blood, so that military personnel have to obey the hard regulations in the name of the common good. Unlike the community of a video game site where the presence of various points of view will not harm anyone.

And it does not come out to express a non -popular opinion in the comments, even if it satisfies all the requirements of the site (does not insult,.p.). As a result, one has to speak when the opinion coincides with the majority, otherwise, they will like.

IMHO, the lion’s part of the problem is that the same minus throwing tool (and plus) is more necessary in the profile in blogs in order to cut off spamers and specific inadequates that create topics in blogs. And people with a verb are stuffing and complaining, where you can’t create their own topics, and hell is going on in the comments. From there, the raids on the oppression of the oldfags. Although I look at blog oldfags, their decayed clothes and empty eye sockets – how they could? There are nothing of them worldly Sitee does not worry. WHAT IS WHAT IS A GARAND OF FORDARD OLDFAGS?

He began to write a comment for the sake of one story, in the end he wrote everything, but forgot about it:

In 2015, I wrote my first post about Colt 1911 in games, which even became kosary. Then this occupation came wildly and I was going to write more than one post (and even wrote, but I rubbed it recently, because now they seemed to me a wild shit). In the comments, Feng wrote about the absence of the mafia, I replied that I was not imbued with the game, and some person (by his own admission) put a minus profile, and fat. And I stupidly could not create a blog. It was simply disgusting, because it would seem-I am a novice blog author, wrote a normal post, and now I can’t continue due to such stupidity.